I recently joined Rich Roll for another Roll On episode, where we unpack the strange reality of 2025 - a time of rapid change where the familiar seems to be dissolving before our eyes. We discuss ways to stay grounded in uncertainty, drawing from the wisdom of Dr. Ellen Langer:

‍“Life is fundamentally uncertain, and we’re actually terrible at making predictions—even though we think we’re good at it.”

In this episode, Rich and I also dive into:

• Behind-the-scenes moments from his unexpected ‘podcast’ with Elmo
• Takeaways from SXSW and LA’s recovery after the fires
• Rich’s first psychedelic experience and what he learned
• The artistry and themes of Adolescence and the challenges facing young men today
• The impact of social media on teens and mental health
• Plus, listener questions and more

It’s a thought-provoking conversation that explores cultural shifts, personal growth, and how to navigate an ever-changing world.